More Awesome Than You!

I've tried doing a bunch of searches, but if this has been addressed I can't find it. So, here goes.

I've been trying to build a health club.  I'm thinking about having my Athletic Sim buy it and run it as a post-retirement business, but it's just a regular community lot for now. I put in a pool, some exercise machines, etc.

It all works pretty well except none of the visiting Sims will use the showers.  They work out until they go into Hygiene failure and then sprint off the lot.  I've tried calling them off the equipment before they hit failure, and they just wander around stinking.  I started out with the communal shower set up from University.  Then, in case they didn't like that, I put in separate rooms with the top end shower stall.  Nothing.

I know the showers work because a playable will use them when told to do so.  I can't recall if a playable ever used them autonomously.

I'm running on the OFB engine with NL and Uni installed.

Anybody know why the filthy little things won't hit the showers?

Hmmm. I have same setup (except for OFB,) and I built a gym on a regular community lot once, but I don't recall ever seeing townies shower autonomously. I'm not even sure I've seen dormies shower in Maxis-built Uni gyms, only in dorms, and only if it's their dorm. Maybe they just won't.

I have one custom-built Uni dorm for my current neighborhood, so I'll check that out tomorrow and let you know if I can duplicate that.

It's due to the way showering works. EAxis didn't want sims to autonomously go around showering at other people's houses, so visiting sims are disallowed in most specific cases from using the shower. If you make them selectable, you'll never see it, because the process of making them selectable short-circuits that part of the test. So basically, they will exercise until they become stinky, then leave.

And even using BUY wont fix that?

I have a hack called public plumbing that lets townie sims shower on community lots, I picked it up of MTS2.

You'd think they'd vary the rules between residential and community lots for that sort of thing.  Of course, you'd think they'd do a lot of stuff they don't.

I know I've seen Sims visiting a residential lot hop in their hosts' showers once or twice. It's definitely not the norm, though.

I'll have to check that out, thanks!

Beware the non-awesome!

They're allowed to do it if they think they've been invited to stay. This bit can be persistent or randomly get stuckset, but no, it's definitely not normal.

I've been using the public plumbing since Seasons, never had any conflicts with my other hacks or any issues. I'm very careful with my hacks.

I've had visitors shower on community lots, but you need a low enough bladder motive to lure them into a BUY controlled bathroom, as they won't decide to shower as a stand-alone action. That's why I have espresso bars on most of my comm lots, and no restaurant.

In my game, townies shower quite happily when they need to, on community lots.  I have OFBShowerBath.package by Squinge.  Not sure if that's what is making the difference or not, I had almost forgotten I had it.

Yeah, I remembered this was the case even for Sims 1, after I logged off for the evening. Arrrgh!

The "hack" involved is editing the object to make it usable by visitors. I use to do this to showers and beds in the old game, but I don't think I've ever done it in Sims 2. It's pretty simple, no BHAV editing involved, so public plumbing hacks from MTS2 should be pretty safe. It'd be pretty hard to screw up setting one constant.

I use dizzy's Bath Shower for Visitors (http://www.nectere.net/smf/index.php?topic=1140.0) hack, which allows visitors to take a shower/bath. It's similar to Squinge's hack, but it's still actively supported by dizzy.

The main thing that puts me off downloading from Dizzy is that he tends to be quite cryptic and often I am not entirely sure what I'm getting or what I'm meant to do with it.

I saw somebody saying that OFBShowerBath.package is not good for FT (maybe in the abandoned hacks thread?), so I took it out. It's working for your FT game, Inge? Then I will put it back in. Although dizzy's might be better because he has done updating.


He has a readme or document wrapped among all the files in the .rar, if you missed that.

No, I get Inge's point. What she means is that Dizzy likes to be mysterious, so his documentation insinuates that there is something more to his works than he is telling, but then refuses to say what it is. This is somewhat more vexing than documentation that is simply incomplete and I also consider this to be a major turn-off in considering what to install. At least with incomplete documentation, you figure the creator just skipped over the entire "documentation" thing and the undocumented features are thus generally a good, or at least benign, thing. Documented undocumented features, on the other hand, are just CREEPY. They go, "Yeah, there's a feature in there, but we're not telling you what it is."

I don't remember specifically doing so, but I tend to run unsupported hacks against a hackdiff list to see if anything has (or is meant to have) changed.  I suppose it looked clean to me.


Does he?  Even so (and this goes for Pescado too lol) I would like to have some idea of what's going on *before* go to the hassle of downloading and unrarring something :)

Now I'm completely confused.  I thought I had Squinges mod, but I have looked all over my downloads and can't find it or any other mod that enables community showering--but my Sims shower.  I have Squinges Morehygiene Communal Shower(all my community showers are of that type) I wonder if it also enables that type of shower on a Community lot.  If it doesn't then I'm a little scared to think that something is hiding in my downloads folder.

Thanks. Since he flounced I haven't kept up with him, and I was near adding snapdragons (which I avoid like the plague) to Dylan's Gym as he couldn't really get star levels with how quickly the townies petered out.

Any idea who made this? I've been hunting, but apparently my google-fu has failed.

I've found it (http://modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=110436), but I don't think it is specifically to allow townies to shower autonomously on community lots. It might be a side-effect though.

Ugh, that's no good. I *want* sims to fuss over other people being in the bathroom.

Using BUY and BRY will fix that, when running an owned business.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3068/03222008223858uu9.jpg

In this setup, the bathroom consists of three rooms, a toilet room  (marked by floor dividers,  with one BUY for each stall), a Shower Room (with one BUY for each shower) , and a main room  that's accessible from each, with no BRYs, but nothing else to attract a customer either.


I think noadhd interferes with this a bit, as customers under its influence don't seem to want to engage in undesirable behaviors like getting off the exercise machines and hitting the showers before motive drain forces them off-lot.

In fact I think noadhd can cause customers to DIE. I had 3 ghosts on a venue lot before I deleted all the exercise machines. The ghosts were amusing though.

I could not understand why customers would use the toilets and not the showers, when I had placed adequate supplies of both as well as BUY.

BUY I know although I don't have it installed.  What's BRY?

Just to confirm: the customers *do* use the showers at least on occasion? Or is it just employees?

On a related note: since I'm still pre-OFB, I'm using No Uni Invulnerability For Dormies... and I'm conflicted. Dormies seem to be stupider than any other kind of non-playable and won't take care of basic needs even when they can, which can lead to amusement, but can also get old after a while. I keep having dormies starve to death when there's a fully-functioning cafeteria worker on the lot. First time, I had no idea why the dormie died. Fortunately, I was playing a sim who was destined to have all her fears fulfilled at the end of college, and one of her fears was to see that dormie come back as a zombie... and that sim was a member of the SS that has the Reaper phone.

Just now, a new Uni and new dorm witnessed another death. No salvation for this one: my playable has Knowledge Aspiration and didn't feel like meeting anyone new, so they didn't even know each other. Downside -- or maybe not -- was: I think my sim decided to autonomously kick the tombstone when she came back from class. Didn't catch her doing it, it happened too quick... but the ghost showed up. This is how I figured out hunger was to blame; she went right for the mini-fridge and microwave. The fridge was well-stocked, but she must have still been pissed about the tomb-kicking, because she went after one of the other dormies she hated. Scared him twice, but he didn't die.

I think I'll keep the dorm haunted, but I may have to remove the hack. My playable doesn't really care about the dormies, anyway, so deaths just kind of get in the way.

If you use no uni protect, then you need to supply beds for your dormies as they can't use the ones that are behind dorm doors.  If you don't supply available beds they get into a situation where they are too tired to do anything - including eating (causing death by starvation).  They'll also pass out at the portals when they come back from visiting campus, so that your sims are unable to use the blocked portal.  The second issue can be dealt with by putting speakers outside, so that the noise wakes them up immediately.  The first issue is the one causing the deaths - one solution is to move all the myne doors so that they open onto an empty room, leaving the bedrooms & beds available for the dormies to use.  Make sure you lock your playable's door if you use this, so they don't try to sleep in your playable's bed.

Already got the playable door locked, because I noticed the bed nazi wasn't kicking people out of my room. But it didn't occur to me that the dormies wouldn't be able to use their own beds. For that matter, I thought they were supposed to recharge when they go to their room, whether they really use a bed or not? That's what the thread (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,1504.0.html) suggested...

Ah, well, I should have known there was some reason why people were doing the tiny bedless room with multiple doors trick.

That's normal game behaviour, and that is one of the things nouniprotect modifies.

That explains a few odd things at my dorms... Bhaaaa you, I never would have thought it worked like that.

*Wanders off to edit a dorm*

Actually, no-uni-protect doesn't modify this behavior. It's just that dormies never seemed to recharge, period, when returning to their rooms, whereas with super-protect-mode, they simply never needed to do anything. Except play your instruments. For hours.

while we're still talking about showering...my sims won't take a shower together in the same room by using communal shower...is there problem with the shower in FT or there's some hack problem? i'm only using BUY for toilet-related hack...I saw the picture and I assume they can take a bath side by side in the same room? why do my sims keep shooing other people while i'm using communal shower? :(

I asked about that problem in the BUY thread, and J.M. told me that sims of different age classes don't shower together. Look here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,2405.525.html) for further details (post #538).

Showering on community lots might be personality related. I had townies shower without BUY, but only some. Others preferred to walk around in their stink clouds, and at least three of these notorious polluters have very few to no neat points.

Yep. The Sim in the picture is a customer.

Having reasked Pescado, it's neither BRY nor BUY that's letting my customers shower. It's the Customer Selector, that's flipping the bit that makes  things more showerable.  I did experience customers showering before this, but it was far, far rarer.

Really? What do you have the lot type set as? I have the customer selector and BRY as well (no BUY, though) and a very similar bathroom setup, but my customers don't shower.

Just to clarify, is your set-up also a gym, or something else that will lower the customers' hygiene?

Currently, it's set as generic, but in the past, it's been set as entertainment.  I'm not using any aother hacks that  affect bathroom behavior.


If I had to guess without seeing your screenshots, I'd say the salient difference between our setups is the  use of floor dividers.

My bathroom has three rooms:

The toilet room, with two BUY units. (The floor dividers make this a separate room).
The Shower Room, with two BUY units.
The main room, with no BUY units.


Guessing as your setup, you've probably got two rooms, an outer toilet room, and an inner shower room that you can only enter by going through the toilet room.

[Complete and utter speculation based on what I wound up doing to make my bathrooms work properly after the Customer Selector was rejiggered to set the bathable bit follows.]

If this is the case, when a Sim who has to shower but not use the toilet  enters the bathroom,  the outer Toilet  room  BUY will sieze the sim, realize that he doesn't need to pee, and throw him out of the  Outer Toilet Room to a room that Does Not Contain a BUY... i.e., out of the bathroom.  Since the only way the Sim can get to the showers is through the Toilet Room, all further attempts to use the showers are thwarted by the Toilet Room's BUY until at such time that he needs to use the toilet. And if you've dropped snapdragons all over the place, this will likely never happen before some other motive drain (Energy) kicks the sim off lot.


In my setup, by giving the toilets their own separate room, and the shower its own separate room,  but both having direct access to an un-BUY-ed outer room,  Sims can, if neccessary, proceed directly to the shower room without being affected by the toilet BUYs.