Borked Family Tree

[kutto]

I had the chance to play a bit of Pets today (still haven't bought it myself), and found a little problem. After two dogs breeded the offspring only recognized the mother as family. The father was not on the family tree. No hacks on this machine that I'm aware of.

Also, I was disappointed with the "Met a new pet" memory. "I met a new pet today. It was totally cool!" It's like they Duff to write the memories, too.

[Karen]

After two dogs breeded the offspring only recognized the mother as family. The father was not on the family tree.

Were the two dogs by chance different sizes?  Somebody else reported the same issue with breeding a large dog with a small dog.

Karen

[kutto]

Yes, they were. I knew something was wrong with that relationship. The little one was the male. Kind of funny to think about.

[twojeffs]

I was researching the pet birth code today and there is some definate weirdness going on.

For instance, sometimes after creating the first puppy/kitten, the code will switch the parents for remaining puppies/kittens to be clones of the first. And yes, small dog/large dog pairing are inadvisable. The code does not seem to handle this very well, and from what I remember of it from this morning, you end up with clones of one or the other dog, not a mix of dna.

[cheriem]

I have a friend who has one of her dogs pregnant and it's stuck.  She can't get the dog to have the puppies and she's tried everything.  And I do mean everything.  Any chance she's going to be able to fix that family any time soon?

[syberspunk]

I was researching the pet birth code today and there is some definate weirdness going on.

For instance, sometimes after creating the first puppy/kitten, the code will switch the parents for remaining puppies/kittens to be clones of the first. And yes, small dog/large dog pairing are inadvisable. The code does not seem to handle this very well, and from what I remember of it from this morning, you end up with clones of one or the other dog, not a mix of dna.

Oh crud. That seems pretty suckity. Any chance this is fixable? And if not, I guess it would be helpful to have a hack that checks between dog types and prevents breeding between small and large dogs. Even if the game allows it, what's the point of having it if the result is gonna be crappity. I haven't even really looked at any of the new Pets stuff, cuz I been busy OCD updating my hacks cuz I can't wait for updates from other modders. Heh.

Ste

[dDefinder]

I was researching the pet birth code today and there is some definate weirdness going on.

For instance, sometimes after creating the first puppy/kitten, the code will switch the parents for remaining puppies/kittens to be clones of the first. And yes, small dog/large dog pairing are inadvisable. The code does not seem to handle this very well, and from what I remember of it from this morning, you end up with clones of one or the other dog, not a mix of dna.

like mine who gave birth to three puppies that all have the same traits and look all the same.

[dusty]

 I moved those pre-made Critturs in somwhere in a moment of weakness, with no idea that the female was already pregnant.  No father shows up in the puppies' family tree even though the male dog, who I suppose is meant to be the father, is the same size as the female. 

[idtaminger]

Can small dogs and large ones breed in real life? How would that work though? Esp if the female doggy was small....

[pioupiou]

They can and often do. The puppies will be of different sizes, and the female can have problems if the puppies are too big... But it happens....

[twojeffs]

As far as fixable, the making of subsequent pupppies/kittens clones of the first puppy/kitten (this is random now and doesn't always happen) is definatetly fixable. I really don't know what the point of this was.

I'm not sure yet what can be done with the small/large dog interbreeding. I'm sure the code can be cleaned up to work better, but blending of their dna was probably not done for a reason since there are no 'medium' meshes.  So there is probably no way around their puppies being clones of one or the other parent dog.

The Critturs' pregnancy was probably 'forced' and not naturally done in the game, I bet her pregnancy token shows no father so all puppies will be clones of her.

[Jelenedra]

What I want to know is why my straight from CAP female and a male bought at a store had puppies with floppy ears when both parents had pointy ears.

[Karen]

Actually, that doesn't really surprise me.  The genetics of CAS Sims can be pretty messed up.  I don't see any reason why CAP pets would be any different. 

Karen

[Dark Trepie]

I moved those pre-made Critturs in somwhere in a moment of weakness, with no idea that the female was already pregnant.  No father shows up in the puppies' family tree even though the male dog, who I suppose is meant to be the father, is the same size as the female. 

Whoo!  Talk about dodging a bullet.  I was thinking about moving them in with the Brokes or the Burbs into a new Pleasantview.  That really would have been a drian on their already limited finances.

The Oldies would probably be a better option.  Just got to remember to give them all away to the Pleasants before they croak.

[moonluck]

What I want to know is why my straight from CAP female and a male bought at a store had puppies with floppy ears when both parents had pointy ears.

I'm pretty sure all pups have floppy ears. I guess they were lazy and only have one mesh for puppies.

I have also experienced the large-small dog weirdness withe the family tree, that realy sucks.

[twojeffs]

I've posted a fix for the borked family tree bug here.

I'm planning on maybe adding some other changes later, like the cloning of the firstborn issue after I've run more tests to see if Maxis really had a good reason for doing it the way they did. I can't for the life of me figure out why that would be a good thing, but the odds of it happening are huge as the code stands now.

What I want to know is why my straight from CAP female and a male bought at a store had puppies with floppy ears when both parents had pointy ears.

I'm pretty sure all pups have floppy ears. I guess they were lazy and only have one mesh for puppies.

I'm pretty sure you're right.

[cyperangel]

say TwoJeffs, you wouldnt happen to have a directory like pes does, where we can check if any mods have been updated or well.. modded... ? the dir thing makes it a smidgen easier to keep track...

Just wondering.

[Process Denied]

I moved the binned dogs in with the Goths,Mortimer loved those dogs and they howled for about an hour when he died.  But her puppies, when they turned to dogs all had floppy ears,but looked just like her.  When she had her next batch with the other male dog,the dogs were identical to the first batch. Her next batch had two identical dogs as the other batches and one that is identical to the father.  They aren't dogs yet so I don't know about the ears yet,but my adoption pool is full of identical dogs--really sucks--the white dog looks stupid with floppy ears.

[twojeffs]

say TwoJeffs, you wouldnt happen to have a directory like pes does, where we can check if any mods have been updated or well.. modded... ? the dir thing makes it a smidgen easier to keep track...

Just wondering.

Nope.

[Ness]

say TwoJeffs, you wouldnt happen to have a directory like pes does, where we can check if any mods have been updated or well.. modded... ? the dir thing makes it a smidgen easier to keep track...

Just wondering.

Nope.

Any chance you could get one?

[Karen]

The Critturs' pregnancy was probably 'forced' and not naturally done in the game, I bet her pregnancy token shows no father so all puppies will be clones of her.

In my game she gave birth to 2 males and a female.  So they're not clones, exactly, or all of them would have been one gender.  (Or does that work differently for pets than it does for Sims?)  The pups' family tree shows her as the mother but there is no father listed.

Karen

[miros]

The guide says it was done so that you could have a litter with a bunch of identical puppies or kittens "and one different."  It made a weird kind of sense the first time I read it, but if you think about it... even in that case, the "identical" ones should be a little different.

Yes, a patch to get away from the cloning entirely would be a good thing.

[Li'l Brudder]

Hey 2J, you're right.

I thoguht it was odd that ALL the puppies had the mother's undercoat and then when I looked in their Relationships box, I knew EXACTLY what maxis had done.  THey bred the mom with herself.

[selzi]

In my game she gave birth to 2 males and a female.  So they're not clones, exactly, or all of them would have been one gender.

No, the gender is the only thing that DOES change. Apart from that your puppies are most probably 1:1 clones of the mother. Wait until they grow up and you'll see. Do they all have the exactly same personality as their mother?

[Sleepycat]

well I'm not having a clone problem with my cat pair

Skitty (the mom)




Whisp (the dad)




two litters, two kittens each (1st litter - Chaos and Skittles, 2nd litter - Angel and Damian)



looks - all are slightly different from their littermate and more different from the other litter (as kittens I could not tell any of them apart)
personality - they are the same as their parents - who are the same as each other (cause thats the way I wanted them)