Squinge found something interesting...

[Ness]

Would that be polycystic ovarian syndrome/disease? If so, that's what I have too, and the doctor told me, that I have a silm to low chance of conceiving without medication, and a high chance of miscarriage if I do happen to get pregnant without drugs. My mother had it undiagnosed before me, she had three kids with no problems, but she also had three miscarriages...

Yes, but my insulin is slowly returning to normal because I started taking medication last year. Most, if not all women with PCOS have insulin resistance, and when metformin is prescribed and the body processes insulin in a more effective and normal way which means the body's hormonal cycles begin to behave in a more effective and normal way. Metformin also makes you more fertile, and in some scenarios Clomid is also necessary. I'm assuming your insulin is being regulated, so that should help some.

Me - I've just started on metformin.  PCOS is caused by insulin resistance so the question is not so much IF, but HOW BAD...  I'm just relieved to have found out very early in the game.  Hoping to avoid the clomid, but will look into that in August if no luck by then.

(rather an odd topic to be talking about on a games forum, but hey...  I've talked about my sims games on my conception forum, so fair's fair)

[Karen]

Speaking of which, I couldn't find that mod under Squinge's profile (as I cannot look up the adult section at work).

You won't - it's in the adult section

Not any more.  It's been moved to the same section as the rest of Squinge's stuff.  You can find it here: http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=8084

There are now different versions to choose from - male-only, female-only, and both male and female.  Also something to speed up the feeding process. 

Karen

[MsMaria]

Still. if you are smart you will wait for the more awesome than you version.

[Jelenedra]

Would that be polycystic ovarian syndrome/disease? If so, that's what I have too, and the doctor told me, that I have a silm to low chance of conceiving without medication, and a high chance of miscarriage if I do happen to get pregnant without drugs. My mother had it undiagnosed before me, she had three kids with no problems, but she also had three miscarriages...

Yes, but my insulin is slowly returning to normal because I started taking medication last year. Most, if not all women with PCOS have insulin resistance, and when metformin is prescribed and the body processes insulin in a more effective and normal way which means the body's hormonal cycles begin to behave in a more effective and normal way. Metformin also makes you more fertile, and in some scenarios Clomid is also necessary. I'm assuming your insulin is being regulated, so that should help some.

Me - I've just started on metformin.  PCOS is caused by insulin resistance so the question is not so much IF, but HOW BAD...  I'm just relieved to have found out very early in the game.  Hoping to avoid the clomid, but will look into that in August if no luck by then.

(rather an odd topic to be talking about on a games forum, but hey...  I've talked about my sims games on my conception forum, so fair's fair)

My doc just shoved me on birth control... he didn't test my insulin levels at all.

[J. M. Pescado]

The unfair reality is that if you haven't had a child you have no idea what it's like to be a breastfeeding mom. Just like those who haven't experienced the heartbreak of infertility do not fully comprehend your pain.

I'm infertile, and the only kids I'll likely have will be funny-looking mutants. There's no pain. Well, no pain for *ME* anyway. Uranium burns, though.

[momtogirls]

My doc just shoved me on birth control... he didn't test my insulin levels at all.

If you think you may want to get pregnant in the future, you may want to find a new doc.

[Jelenedra]

Oh, he told me that I'd need something for when I want to get pregnant. Said that I would need something to balance out my hormones and insulin levels that didn't impair my ability to get pregnant like birth control.

[Jelenedra]

*hopes that JM is working on an awesome version of this hack*

[laeshanin]

Ain't it interesting that a so-called civilised society has this huge furore about breasts? Meh... it's all pants because, as someone else has probably pointed out, it is something that the developing nations have in perspective. The correct perspective, I hasten to add. Why, in some parts of the world a woman will suckle other animals (pigs noteably) because they have worth within that society! Not so certain you'd see that happening either here or in the USA. I think (ducks for cover and possibility of rocks) that our attitudes are rooted in religion and the sentiment that any sort of nudity is sinful.

[vector]

I don't see a controversy either. Stop trying to make one. End of story.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program:
This is definitely interesting, but has the minor drawback that Squinge has overridden the global pie menu. Kind of a no-no. Maybe I should make a more awesome version.

This would rock so much. Finally, we'd be able to have a specific nursery room on the third floor, far away from visitors and pains-in-the-asses, just big enough for skilling toys, cribs and changers, and not have to send an older sim on a five mile hike to the fridge and back just to feed the little brat. A more awesome version of this would be almost too awesome to bear.

Ugh, it really creeps me out that female sims have nipples until they become teens.

This didn't occur to me until you pointed it out. Thanks for making me disturbed, too.  What happens to them? Where do they go? Are they re-absorbed by the body? Do they fall off? Urg.

[BlueSoup]

LOL I didn't even notice that Sims don't have nipples.  I use custom defaults now (finally found a set I like) and they have nipples and hair (look out, she's reformed!  )

[Renatus]

Better yet - Females have nipples up until they become teens, but male sims keep them all their lives. ...Yeeeeah.

I replaced the defaults with skins that at least had nipples for everyone the moment I could.

[BlueSoup]

Very odd.  Since replacing the skins, I actually haven't had any kids born, so I have no idea if they have nipples or not.  I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[anelca]

commiserations to those on metformin...its a horrible drug but i suppose if it helps with your insulin resistance and PCOS then so be it, but there are alternatives you could ask your docs about

funny this debate about breastfeeding and sim-nipples and so forth. i'll keep out of the former as i am a midwife and a one time breastfeeder of 3 kids (not all at once) so my views will be biased

i don't think the presence or absence of sim-nipples should be an issue. they are not vital to a sim being able to breastfeed, after all the absence of genitalia still enables them to woohoo and give birth

look forward to an awesome version 

[sara_dippity]

That was the main thing that gave me pause about it. I know IRL it's technically possible, but... no. Just... no.

It is? How? I thought the expression "Tits on a bull" was the epitomy of nonfunctionality.

Hormones. Males actually do have mammary glands, but generally they don't produce the right hormones to make them function. Usually the hormonal stimulation is from an outside source, like medications and possibly diet. Googling "male lactation" gives a surprising number of links; here's the Wikipedia article.

My son lactated when a few months old. Itty bitty little droplets. I can't wait to tell his girlfriends when he's older.

[sara_dippity]

Gee, and all I did was mention an interesting new mod -- never expected WW III over it.

Obviously you've never hung out on parenting forums.

[Renatus]

i don't think the presence or absence of sim-nipples should be an issue. they are not vital to a sim being able to breastfeed, after all the absence of genitalia still enables them to woohoo and give birth

They aren't, but it's still Really Weird. Male sims have nipples all of their lives, but female sims only have them baby through toddler. THAT gave me pause, let me tell you - for, while I am aware of the (pointless, silly, ridiculous) reason why they de-nipplized the women, I'm surprised they'd bother to include them at all for anyone else, in that case. Even Barbies are more egalitarian - Ken doesn't have nipples either. Friggin' BARBIES, man...

[idtaminger]

Ain't it interesting that a so-called civilised society has this huge furore about breasts?

And you know, traditionally, it was butts that were the biggest deal, not boobies. We're heading backwards nowadays. I mean, stuff from millenia ago is more "risque". Next thing you know, we're gonna think ankles are "gross" again.

[Renatus]

And you know, traditionally, it was butts that were the biggest deal, not boobies. We're heading backwards nowadays. I mean, stuff from millenia ago is more "risque". Next thing you know, we're gonna think ankles are "gross" again.

Heh, sometimes I wonder! Although consider how fashionable low-low-low cut "Does she hold those things in with tape?!" shirts are - but nipples are still a big taboo. Maybe pasties will end up being street fashion.

... The idea both fascinates and horrifies me.

[EDIT: Forgot a word.]

[Jelenedra]

Hah! *thinks of Lita from the WWE's current wardrobe* Yeah, it's definately tape.

[Ness]

Oh, he told me that I'd need something for when I want to get pregnant. Said that I would need something to balance out my hormones and insulin levels that didn't impair my ability to get pregnant like birth control.

that's the metformin...  from what I've read shoving PCOS people on birth control makes things worse - gives you even more hormones that your body can't balance out properly.  I never had a weight problem at all, but now that I've stopped the pill and am trying to get pregnant it seems that I starting to have a weight problem.

metformin isn't that bad, at least not for me but I have heard that some people have huge issues with it.

[Jelenedra]

Hmm. See, I was told that the reason I gained weight BEFORE birth control was because of the PCOS.

I actually lost weight when I got on the pill.

[Ashleigh]

My doc just shoved me on birth control... he didn't test my insulin levels at all.

EH?! Mine didn't either, and it wasn't until last year that I realized the error of his ways - and when my insulin was finally checked I was producing eleven times the normal amount. PCOS is caused by insulin resistance. If left unchecked many people end up with diabetes. (This is of course a simplification on my part.) I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one on TV or in TS2, but birth control made my PCOS worse and that seems to be the rule, not the exception. I had to get three opinions before getting straightened out.

[Jelenedra]

Hmm, fun stuff... I don't want to go doc hunting.. It took me to age 22 to finally go to one of them gynos.....

And the doc really didn't do much to begin with. Said "Oh, you have this, go get a blood test to be SURE it's not thyroid. Blood tests were clean, okay you definately have PCOS."

[angelyne]

You do know that low-carbing cures PCOS.  Well maybe cure is too strong a word, but so long as you restrict your carbohydrates below a certain level, the symptons vanishes.