Memories- do they give my sims a slow death?

[Jysudo]

I am wondering if too many memories will corrupt a sim.'
I had a vampire hanging around forever. He is my absolute favourite and he is not going to die as long as I am alive!
So if he had like, 100 pages of mempries of "meeting xxx" etc and other useless memories, will my sim eventually be corrupted and DIE?
I am kinda worried here...

Thanks.

[gali]

The Manual writes this:

Vampires:

* Don't reflect in mirrors.

* can turn other sims to vampires with the Bite Neck social.

* Don't age; they remain in their current age group forever.

This is written about adult vampires. Until after college, the kids grow as usual.

[Jysudo]

The Manual writes this:

Vampires:

* Don't reflect in mirrors.

* can turn other sims to vampires with the Bite Neck social.

* Don't age; they remain in their current age group forever.

This is written about adult vampires. Until after college, the kids grow as usual.

thanks. I know all that. But what I need to know is : Will too many memories corrupt a sim?  Makes the sim cranky or stuff like that?
I cite the vamp as example because he lives forever and already had 20 frigging pages of memories! 

[LFox]

I'm curious on the answer too because i made a vampire sim and i plan to have her live forever so eventually she'll be over watching the 20th+ generation of her children.

Should be there a maxium the first thing to go are those stupid met so and so memories, totally useless.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Well, make sure you have all the anti-spam mods you need, and remove unnecessary invisible memories - but make sure they're safe to remove.

[gali]

If a vampire lives forever (I begin to like the idea, lol - until now I ignored the vampires), it makes sense that the number of the memories won't corrupt his file. In TS1, at the beginning, we were restricted to a certain number of downloads; with the added EPs, the number was changed to "unlimited". May be it's done here too.

As ZZ said, you can delete some unimportant memories. But I think only JMP or another modder can answer to this question.

[Ancient Sim]

You would assume that all the extra memories wouldn't affect anything, otherwise Maxis wouldn't have introduced vampires & zombies in the first place, but to assume that would also mean assuming Maxis know what they're doing and I find that extremely hard to assume. 

You can certainly delete any invisible memories pertaining to useless crap, especially the "Fell in Love With So & So" type of memories they get if they just happen to be present when something takes place.  With these memories, they're not likely to get them back again because this sort of thing doesn't tend to get passed on after the event very often.  Invisible memories relating to family members are probably best left alone, but those relating to people who just happened to be around at the time can be disposed of because they don't really serve any useful purpose.

[J. M. Pescado]

thanks. I know all that. But what I need to know is : Will too many memories corrupt a sim?  Makes the sim cranky or stuff like that?
I cite the vamp as example because he lives forever and already had 20 frigging pages of memories! 

Too many pages of memories will not "corrupt" a sim in the sense that the game will explode in a big fiery ball visible from space, but may start to manifest symptoms of bad memory access (Too Many Iterations resets) anytime the affected sim attempts to perform various memory-access functions. With TMI now requiring 10x as many interations as before, this may take awhile, and when it does, it should be easy enough to stop, for instance, modifying the actions to only check the first 150-odd memories. All in all, the problem is presently only theoretical, but the possibility exists. It is not, however, fatal and can be repaired if it manifests.

In theory, a maximum number of memory tokens may exist at around 30000. This is potentially reachable and at this point, bad things happen.

[Jysudo]

thanks. I know all that. But what I need to know is : Will too many memories corrupt a sim?  Makes the sim cranky or stuff like that?
I cite the vamp as example because he lives forever and already had 20 frigging pages of memories! 

Too many pages of memories will not "corrupt" a sim in the sense that the game will explode in a big fiery ball visible from space, but may start to manifest symptoms of bad memory access (Too Many Iterations resets) anytime the affected sim attempts to perform various memory-access functions. With TMI now requiring 10x as many interations as before, this may take awhile, and when it does, it should be easy enough to stop, for instance, modifying the actions to only check the first 150-odd memories. All in all, the problem is presently only theoretical, but the possibility exists. It is not, however, fatal and can be repaired if it manifests.

In theory, a maximum number of memory tokens may exist at around 30000. This is potentially reachable and at this point, bad things happen.

Thank you JMP for being so awesome 

With ur assuring reply, I feel sure that my beloved vamp will live forever. Previously I have 'locked' him at home to prevent him from meeting too many people and such...

I wish there is a hack or somethng to nuke all those "meet xxx" memories. To me, they are 100% useless.

ETA: Since you mention the possibilty of "bad things" happen, I think I will clone my sim in case it happens . So yeah, for those who wants their vamps to live as long as yourself, better make a clone of the sim  i

[LFox]

thanks. I know all that. But what I need to know is : Will too many memories corrupt a sim?  Makes the sim cranky or stuff like that?
I cite the vamp as example because he lives forever and already had 20 frigging pages of memories! 

Too many pages of memories will not "corrupt" a sim in the sense that the game will explode in a big fiery ball visible from space, but may start to manifest symptoms of bad memory access (Too Many Iterations resets) anytime the affected sim attempts to perform various memory-access functions. With TMI now requiring 10x as many interations as before, this may take awhile, and when it does, it should be easy enough to stop, for instance, modifying the actions to only check the first 150-odd memories. All in all, the problem is presently only theoretical, but the possibility exists. It is not, however, fatal and can be repaired if it manifests.

In theory, a maximum number of memory tokens may exist at around 30000. This is potentially reachable and at this point, bad things happen.

Thanks for the explaination i don't think my sim will be reaching 30k memories anytime soon.

[Lion]

So yeah, for those who wants their vamps to live as long as yourself, better make a clone of the sim  i

How to make a clone of the sim, may I ask?

[ZephyrZodiac]

Lion, there are various threads dealing with this fairly comprehensibly, but basically, you use the clone option in SimPE, and then when you install the clone files into either downloads or Saved Sims, they will appear as faces in CAS next time you load your game.  You would then need to use that face to create your sim, and later edit whatever of their personality etc. you wished in SimPE.

[Lion]

Lion, there are various threads dealing with this fairly comprehensibly, but basically, you use the clone option in SimPE, and then when you install the clone files into either downloads or Saved Sims, they will appear as faces in CAS next time you load your game.  You would then need to use that face to create your sim, and later edit whatever of their personality etc. you wished in SimPE.

I see, thanks. Last time I know, I can do surgery on sims, now clones?! hehe...

[C.S.]

I wish there is a hack or somethng to nuke all those "meet xxx" memories. To me, they are 100% useless.

There is SimPE, and if you get the Memories editor enhancements for SimPe plugin in Peasantry, it shouldn't be too painful. Shift-select all those "meet xxx" memories, then 'cascade delete' to clean out those invisible ones in other sims' memories too.

[Swiftgold]

I wish there is a hack or somethng to nuke all those "meet xxx" memories. To me, they are 100% useless.

There is SimPE, and if you get the Memories editor enhancements for SimPe plugin in Peasantry, it shouldn't be too painful. Shift-select all those "meet xxx" memories, then 'cascade delete' to clean out those invisible ones in other sims' memories too.

I'd only do this on Met XX for dead Sims that your vampire isn't liable to meet again, though, because otherwise they'll just get them back again the next time they interact with that Sim. I had to replace a corrupt Sim with a clone a while back, and I fabricated back her important memories (not any meeting people memories) up to where she got corrupted, and put back the relationships she had with everyone, but there are huge tracts of memories after that where she's meeting people again that she has 100/100 with.

[ZephyrZodiac]

There's really no point in deleting them, and I for one never delete visible memories owned by the sim in question and with the memory token in place - unless I'm planning on deleting the sim the memories refer to.

[C.S.]

I'd only do this on Met XX for dead Sims that your vampire isn't liable to meet again, though, because otherwise they'll just get them back again the next time they interact with that Sim.

I was under the impression that they don't get it twice. Looking at the pre-made YAs living in the same households, there weren't any 'Met xxx' memories of the other members in the household, so I assumed they won't get a new 'Met xxx' if the sim in question was already marked 'Known' .

[ZephyrZodiac]

I should think you're right, but even if you have 1,000 sims (dead or alive) in your hood, that's only 999 met XX memories, far below the 30,000 that JM mentioned as being critical!

[C.S.]

I can be over-zealous in cleaning out memories sometimes, (I'd like if they don't talk about burnt dinners anymore - gossip about something else already! Sheesh!) but mainly so that looking through their massive numbers of memories they'll inevitably amass in game isn't so slow.

[ZephyrZodiac]

True, it's a pain when you want to scroll back and check how many woohoos they've amassed!

[Paperbladder]

Would it be possible to make a hack in which no new memories are ever created?  That might stop a load of this invalid memory and junk copies of sims being transferred with houses.  I think Maxis honestly needs to revise these memories in an expansion and make it more of a menu or something.  For example, instead of having pages and pages of "Met" memories they would just have a large bloated list of sims they have met.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Yes, but some memories are important!  If the total number of memories can now reach 30,000, your sim would have to live a very long time.........

[C.S.]

I don't bother with 'Met xxx' memories, but I can definitely do without another 'Met' grandchild memory. Grandparents have these 'Met new Grandchild [insert name]', then another 'Met [insert name]' when they actually meet the new grandchild. It's weird how that memory was worded, but since they've already 'Met' the grandchild, why have another 'Met' memory?

[RainbowTigress]

I agree, that "Met Grandchild" memory is weird...especially when they never have.

[ZephyrZodiac]

I think it may be important for a Family sim with the HaveSixGrandchildren LTW to have these memories.