Myths, Urban Legends, And Apocrypha Of TS2 Explored And Exploded
Andygal:
yeah as the saying goes "If it isn't documented it didn't happen"
dizzy:
Nobody is questioning whether it happened. What they are questioning is WHAT precisely happened and why.
You can't just assume that because you observed two events that appear to happen together that the one MUST lead to the other. That is a fallacy. There may be several other things that also occurred which had more or less affect on the outcome which you did not observe. There may be little or no connection at all. In fact, the order in which you observe these things occur may not even be relevant.
To prove cause and effect, you have to understand the source of the effect. That requires understanding exactly what you are looking at, and how to relate that understanding to what you are observing.
Kyna:
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What do ypu mean...test? I didnt make a test i just noticed that twins with the same personalities have learned skills differently cuz one grew uo in platinum
If that happened in my game, the first thing I'd do is check whether both twins still had their smart milk 'stuck'. Chances are that one of your twins lost the smart milk stuckage along the way and therefore learned at a much slower rate.
My point is that there are other situations that can cause different learning rates for twins in the game - I wouldn't assume it was the platinum effect without further testing.
Hook:
Quote from: kookiedoe on 2005 November 03, 00:00:10
What do ypu mean...test? I didnt make a test i just noticed that twins with the same personalities have learned skills differently cuz one grew uo in platinum
Way back shortly after Sims 2 first came out and no one knew where the fast learning skill came from, I posted on the Maxis BBS that it might be related to toddlers being read to by their parents. I did NOT say that reading to toddlers caused the fast learning skill. I too have had twins grow to children where one had the fast learning skill and the other didn't.
One observation does not make something fact. Someone had their pregnant Sim eat cookies and then had twins, and concluded that eating cookies was what caused twins. And the rumors started flying. As far as I know, there are *still* people on the Maxis BBS who believe that eating cookies causes twins.
You will notice that I did not say you were full of shit wrong. I simply asked you to post your test conditions so we could try to duplicate your results. For all I know, growing up in platinum might have some effect... or at least growing up not-platinum might kill the fast learning skill.
Now, about testing. Has it occurred to anyone that some of us will run the same scenario as many as 50 times trying to learn what affects the outcome of some particular action? I've actually done that with the fast learning skill. I've also done it with the headmaster scenario. Once you find something you think causes something, then you have to try to disprove yourself. I was always able to get Sim children with the fast learning skill once I'd discovered it was related to smart milk, but I was never able to get rid of the fast learning skill once a Sim toddler had it. I even bathed a toddler recently hoping to get rid of the fast learning skill, as Pescado states that bathing a toddler can make it go away. The Sim kid still had fast learning after being bathed, but that was only one trial and isn't conclusive.
So when I say "test" I mean TEST, dammit! Noticing something happening once, then posting as if this were conslusive proof just doesn't cut it. Sorry.
Hook
veilchen:
Extensive testing is the only true way of finding cause and effect. Many serious sim-players, such as Hook, Posie, TreyNutz, etc. have spend a lot of time testing things through to try to at least eliminate random occurances. Hook is absolutely right, posting statements such as this one as fact is not something that will do anyone any good.
I've had one toddler grow up in gold, and one in green; both still had the faster learning skill, and using the eye in the sky, I found out that both still had their smart milk stuck. Platinum might have an effect, but one observation does not a research make.
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