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tunaisafish
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Smart Door (23 Feb 2006 update)
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23 Feb 2006 -
Added 4 more doors from EP1 and EP2i
.
Fixed bug with autonomy and privacy setting.
This is the same download that is available at
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=129124
but I know that not all here have an account there.
The docs are included with in the download.
SmartDoor v0.105 for University plus Nightlife
By tunaisafish
Control where your sims can go, and what they wear when they get there.
INSTALLATION
Copy the package file in the "My Documents\EA Games\The Sims 2 Downloads" folder.
To uninstall, delete the package file.
FEATURES
* Change Sims clothes as they pass through doors.
- configure both directions separately.
- Choose different outfits for certain sims or groups.
- Change or leave unchanged, depending how the sim is currently dressed.
* Quick Configure for preset Access Modes.
- Normal Acts just like a plain old door.
- No Entry Sims can only pass in one direction.
- User Directed Like No Entry, but will not block Sims if you are controlling them.
- Halt Gender Choose which gender to block.
- Halt Ages Choose which age groups to block.
- No Visitors Don't allow visitors through.
- Keyholders Give keys to those you want to pass.
- 3's a Crowd Choose how many sims are allowed in a room.
IMPORTANT
Each of the above modes will always allow sims to exit from the room freely.
When placing the door, make sure the arrows face in the direction of the exit.
THE ARROWS MUST FACE OUT OF THE ROOM.
Use the 'Show Settings' menu to see what tweak options each mode provides.
* Control room access just the way you like it.
- Custom
The custom mode allows you to combine any of the doors features.
You can configure the entry and exit access separately.
Before you choose a custom mode, select a preset mode that closely fits your
specification. There will be less to tweak.
* Shows the current settings on the menus.
Complex configurations can be made with this door, so to make it easier to know
what the door will do each of the menu items displays the current setting.
Also, the settings should be read in a clockwise direction if you want to know which
option is tested first.
Most menus will be hidden if you use a preset mode, to hide the clutter.
* Twelve keys (or fish).
The door can remember up to 12 Sims by giving the sim a key and/or a fish.
The fish is just another type of key.
You can use these keyholders and fishholders in the clothes menus and the custom access mode.
* Two lock modes.
Each side of the door can be set to unlocked, locked, or private.
- unlocked Sims pass freely.
- locked Checks that the sim passes the access rules.
- private As locked, but Sims without access will not be aware of other Sims or objects
behind the locked door. They lose their telepathy.
For best results, only use the private option on rooms that only have one
entrance. A music room or bedroom for example.
COMPATIBILITY
Tested with both University and Nightlife installed.
Will NOT work with base game alone.
It may work with just one expansion pack installed, feedback welcome.
This door does not overwrite any global code, so it can safely exist
with other security systems on the same lot.
However, do not use 2 different access systems to control the same room.
It should work fine with the InTeenimator.
IN THE PIPELINE
So what is so "Smart" about this door?
Well, nothing yet, as you have to configure it yourself through the maze of menus.
The smart routines will allow the door to pickup it's configuration from the environment
when it is placed on a community lot, and an extra residential mode to automagically configure
the best options for it's current location.
THANKS
Special thanks go to Inge Jones for being too busy on more interesting stuff
to add all of my whims and fancies to her doors.
DISCLAIMER
No Sims were harmed in the making of this mod.
I can guarantee that yours will not be the first if you don't install it.
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Re: Smart Door
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WOW! I am gonna have to try this. So many possibilities.
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 04:47:35 »
Shiny! Thanks this is great!
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 10:43:25 »
This door may be very useful for not "caught on cheating" by the spouse...
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Quote from: gali on 2006 February 01, 10:43:25
This door may be very useful for not "caught on cheating" by the spouse...
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Great minds think alike
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 13:04:28 »
Thank you for this! This is definately more awesomely shiny! Even something that I mentioned in that running thread about clothing options. I vaguely recalled Inge having doors with a similar function. But this seems like a neat thing to have tons of options. I love options!
A few quick stupid q's:
What's with the fish?
I love automagically (Yes, that's NOT a question)!
Is this one door right now (You mention you will put all Maxis singles in a package, so I'm interpreting this to mean that currently, this is only one door)?
Can you give keys to anyone? Even friends, either playable on other lots or townies? For example, if I want my teen to keep his door locked to his parents and sibs, but allow only his/her friends to come and go as they please, I could give them keys, right?
What about the maid, does the maid need a key to clean any locked or private doors? If so, can you make an exception for maids?
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 13:35:35 »
Quote
I vaguely recalled Inge having doors with a similar function. But this seems like a neat thing to have tons of options. I love options!
Well Tunaisafish knows I said anyone's welcome to take any of my ideas and develop them further, and people had been asking me for this and that to be added to my doors for ages and what with the school and the prison it was beginning to look unlikely I'd get round to it in any reasonable time frame. I can think of a few places in my own game I could use this, especially with the extra keyholders on it
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nectere
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 13:43:55 »
I have one question, do your doors pull every single texture and apply them to every single door? I have this issue with Inges doors and cant use them because they have the wrong textures on them and look hideous.
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 13:50:48 »
Lol! They have the right textures too - I just went through a phase (before we could do our own recolours) of making all the door colours available for all the doors - including ones they didn't fit. But you should have found the usual colours there too.
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 14:22:19 »
I didnt mean any offense by that Inge, but no I dont have the normal textures on mine, it pulls from the other doors or something, its weird. Its like all the textures are mixed up for your doors (in my game) and they dont have any of the correct textures. I was really bummed about it but couldnt figure out to make it stop pulling textures form other doors.
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 14:32:33 »
I'm not offended but you didn't really have to wait all this time before saying you were having a problem with the original ones
I could have told you how to get rid of the unwanted colours easily.
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Re: Smart Door
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2006 February 01, 14:40:53 »
I am sorry Inge, I did ask you long ago on your yahoo group, you never replied, so I figured it was just me. But I would be more than greatful for you to tell me now!
Because I really really like all your doors/arches and I would really really like to use them.
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Re: Smart Door
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Ok well basically I shoved in lots of extra MMATs, copies of the ones from the other doors, and gave them all the GUID of the new door that was in the package. All you have to do is you can either go through them manually to see which ones don't belong and simply delete them and save the package, or you can delete *all* the MMATs and extract the right ones from the original door. I actually made a guide for if someone made a recolour for the original and you wanted to add it to a hacked door, and you could probably use it in reverse for getting rid of the unwanted ones.
http://www.simlogical.com/externally_accessible/ApplyCustomColours_tutorial/ApplyCustomColours.htm
I think the easiest though is just to delete by hand. For example, if you open 4Key0PanelDoorNPCs.package, and look at the Material Override (MMAT) group of packed files, they have names that make it easy to spot which ones are wrong. The ones that start doorvalue_ are the ones for the cheap door and ones with other names such as doorquaint_ or doorwalnut_ want deleting.
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tunaisafish
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Re: Smart Door
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syberspunk:
The fish acts just like the keys, in that they are a way to define a group of sims to use in the access or clothes choosing functions.
BTW, in custom, you can change it so that keys or fish block access.
Yes, I will add all the Maxis game doors to this single package. I just did one to start with for testing. It's the only one so far.
Oh, I forgot to say that this package includes the diagonal version of that door too. It works just the same, but if you move a door from a diagonal
wall to a straight (or vice versa) the options go back to the default, as they are different objects.
You can give keys to anyone on the lot, just as Inge's keyholder doors work. You could give a key to the maid but...
My keyholder mode is sliigtly different to Inge's, which you can see if you switch from keyholder to custom mode to view all options.
NPCs are allowed through locked keyholder doors (which is how Inges' work).
Also, I have set the 'Non Autonomous' Pass Override. This means that you can manually send in any controllable sim through the door.
More importantly you can tell your keyholder to go lie on their bed, and 'ask to join' a non keyholder and they won't be stopped at the door.
The 'non autonomous' is also useful for the macrotastics commands. I found I couldn't use Inges doors on a toilet door as 'Use Bathroom' would continuously try to send the sim into a locked room.
Nectere, Inge:
Textures. Yep, I'll put just the original maxis textures for each door in, and have the same default ones.
I found something strange when making the door. I only had the default texture, but when the door is placed on a diagonal wall
it picks up the original door colours on its own! I couldn't reproduce this trick with the straight door though. When moved between diag and straight the door kept the recolour.
Gali:
Er... By 'not caught cheating', if you mean that the 'cheated on sim' will not be able to 'slap' the offender then that is right.
Even if the door is set on private, both sims will still get the memories, but at least the offender will not end up furious for being slapped.
He... then with Syberspunks fix it will only be the offender that has to apologize
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Re: Smart Door
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Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 01, 19:07:36
Also, I have set the 'Non Autonomous' Pass Override.
I was thinking of trying to do something like this with my classroom doors, so you can "excuse" a child for calls of nature. I'll have a look and see how you've done it
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Re: Smart Door
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Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 01, 19:07:36
syberspunk:
The fish acts just like the keys, in that they are a way to define a group of sims to use in the access or clothes choosing functions.
BTW, in custom, you can change it so that keys or fish block access.
That's all well and good. I understood that. I was kinda half joking and just wondering... why fish? Am I missing something? It's not a jesus thing is it? Why not loaves... or tongues...
No offense... I'm Catholic. No... really.
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 01, 19:07:36
Yes, I will add all the Maxis game doors to this single package. I just did one to start with for testing. It's the only one so far.
Oh, I forgot to say that this package includes the diagonal version of that door too. It works just the same, but if you move a door from a diagonal
wall to a straight (or vice versa) the options go back to the default, as they are different objects.
Gwhaaa? So... there are separate objects for
each
door? A regular and a diagonal version? Does that mean they have separate GUIDs? Me confused. Um... I guess it won't matter so much to me, so long as all of this stuff is
blinvisible
and beneath the surface. I suppose I don't have to know or care more about it. Lol. No offense, but extra info is just confusing to my pea-sized brain cell.
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 01, 19:07:36
You can give keys to anyone on the lot, just as Inge's keyholder doors work. You could give a key to the maid but...
My keyholder mode is sliigtly different to Inge's, which you can see if you switch from keyholder to custom mode to view all options.
NPCs are allowed through locked keyholder doors (which is how Inges' work).
Also, I have set the 'Non Autonomous' Pass Override. This means that you can manually send in any controllable sim through the door.
More importantly you can tell your keyholder to go lie on their bed, and 'ask to join' a non keyholder and they won't be stopped at the door.
The 'non autonomous' is also useful for the macrotastics commands. I found I couldn't use Inges doors on a toilet door as 'Use Bathroom' would continuously try to send the sim into a locked room.
Ahh... ok. Totally awesome! So... back to the maid thing... basically you are saying that maids don't really need keys (well, at least maids that are
on the job
) since they can bypass locked doors. However... just to be sure, you answered saying
locked
but did not necessarily say
private
. Since private turns rooms into blackholes that are
blinvisible
to Sim telepathy, does that mean that maids won't know to clean up those rooms, if they need cleaning.
Alternatively... what if I
want
to block the maids, such as the case where I'd prefer they not waste time climbing up and down stairs just to Make Beds, which seems to have a higher priority
than actually cleaning up dishes, puddles, toilets, tubs, and counters.
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 01, 19:07:36
Er... By 'not caught cheating', if you mean that the 'cheated on sim' will not be able to 'slap' the offender then that is right.
Even if the door is set on private, both sims will still get the memories, but at least the offender will not end up furious for being slapped.
He... then with Syberspunks fix it will only be the offender that has to apologize
Ahh... thanks for clarificating that. I wanted to ask what gali meant by that... but since someone else understood, I figured I was just too dumb and didn't want to bother exposing myself.
*brain fart* Er... excuse me. I guess
privatizing
doors won't block sim telepathic jealousy?
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Re: Smart Door
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Updated - 6 more doors
Quote from: syberspunk on 2006 February 02, 00:55:53
I was kinda half joking and just wondering... why fish? Am I missing something?
Product Branding
I was trying to think of different words for a key that were small. I thought too long, so decided a fish would do.
Quote from: syberspunk on 2006 February 02, 00:55:53
Does that mean they have separate GUIDs?
Yep, actually each door model has five. They're registered so they shouldn't cause a conflict.
This last upload has sent my brain to jelly, I feel like I've been doing nothing but cutting and pasting GUIDs for a week.
There's a lot more jiggery pokery to do as you need to link the two related door objects, and then fiddle with wotsits so that they will all live happily in one package.
Quote from: syberspunk on 2006 February 02, 00:55:53
Ahh... ok. Totally awesome! So... back to the maid thing... basically you are saying that maids don't really need keys (well, at least maids that are
on the job
) since they can bypass locked doors. However... just to be sure, you answered saying
locked
but did not necessarily say
private
. Since private turns rooms into blackholes that are
blinvisible
to Sim telepathy, does that mean that maids won't know to clean up those rooms, if they need cleaning.
The sims are only blind the the objects behind the door when they would have access blocked. So your maid will still see your messy beds when 'on the job' as she passes as an NPC. She won't see through a private door when just visiting though, unless she passes another test.
Quote from: syberspunk on 2006 February 02, 00:55:53
Alternatively... what if I
want
to block the maids, such as the case where I'd prefer they not waste time climbing up and down stairs just to Make Beds, which seems to have a higher priority
than actually cleaning up dishes, puddles, toilets, tubs, and counters.
Hey, cool idea.
OK, lets assume you have set 'keyholders' mode and given keys for the bedroom to your sleeper sims.
Now switch to 'custom'
Either toggle/disable the NPC checking. Now no NPCs (bar a few specials, Reaper, Bunny, etc.) can enter.
Or, Give your maid a fish, and set it to Halt Fishholders - for just that specific sim.
Remember, with the custom access mode, you should be able to read around the menu in a clockwise direction looking for the first check that matches your sim.
The first test that matches - results in an immediate Pass/Halt.
Quote from: syberspunk on 2006 February 02, 00:55:53
Ahh... thanks for clarificating that. I wanted to ask what gali meant by that... but since someone else understood, I figured I was just too dumb and didn't want to bother exposing myself.
*brain fart* Er... excuse me. I guess
privatizing
doors won't block sim telepathic jealousy?
The jealousy emitter travels through walls. What would it look like if it had to open doors ?
The 3's a crowd would be handy if your cheating sim wanted to make sure the aother half didn't accidentally wander in when they were entertaining.
You can cut down the jealously to 'room only' using casual romance, or use LizzLove's bed to turn it off completely.
This is just one more tool in the safe WooHoo asenal
Thanks for the questions, I'll be reading back through these when I WTFM some more
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Re: Smart Door (updated 2 Feb 2006)
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Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 02, 14:00:06
Product Branding
I was trying to think of different words for a key that were small. I thought too long, so decided a fish would do.
Ahh... I kinda figured, but I was just wondering. Fishes... hehe.
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 02, 14:00:06
This last upload has sent my brain to jelly, I feel like I've been doing nothing but cutting and pasting GUIDs for a week.
There's a lot more jiggery pokery to do as you need to link the two related door objects, and then fiddle with wotsits so that they will all live happily in one package.
Hehe. Yeah, just trying to even contemplate the tangled mess you have to deal with turns my brain to jelly.
I wish there was an easier way to cut/paste and/or do multiple updates of GUIDs in BHAVs. Like, if you're editing a single BHAV, it would be nice to be able to sort of do a search/replace kind of thing.
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 02, 14:00:06
The sims are only blind the the objects behind the door when they would have access blocked. So your maid will still see your messy beds when 'on the job' as she passes as an NPC. She won't see through a private door when just visiting though, unless she passes another test.
Awesome!
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 02, 14:00:06
Remember, with the custom access mode, you should be able to read around the menu in a clockwise direction looking for the first check that matches your sim.
The first test that matches - results in an immediate Pass/Halt.
Even more awesome! Just to be sure, but I
think
I understand it, keys and fishies are separate. You can give keys to some and fishes to others, and then you can permit keyholders but block fishholders, right? What a bloody brilliant idea!!! It's silly that maxis didn't think to have lockable doors. I really love this idea. Too bad I can't replace all the maxis doors with yours. Hehe.
I don't know if this is possible, since I rarely use them, but when you're done adding your doors, would it be too much trouble to ask for a custom Collection package so that we can have immediate access to them? I don't remember if Collections are only for Buy mode or if they can be made for Build mode as well.
Quote from: tunaisafish on 2006 February 02, 14:00:06
This is just one more tool in the safe WooHoo asenal
Thanks for the questions, I'll be reading back through these when I WTFM some more
Hehe, yeah, I figured as much. The romancemod definately helps out with this, so I have less of a problem. It's not that big of a deal really, but it's just silly to think that a sim across the lot automagically
knows when their lover is cheating on them. But it's just a game, I should really learn to live with some of the silly things. Anyways, in the meantime, I'll be patiently waiting for your updates.
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Re: Smart Door (updated 2 Feb 2006)
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Collections work in build as well as buy mode.
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Re: Smart Door (updated 2 Feb 2006)
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A fish is a named ban?
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Re: Smart Door (updated 2 Feb 2006)
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The fish is whatever you want it to be Inge
I've set up fish to ban in the access routines, but the test is disabled on the preset modes.
You can only activate to Pass/Halt fishholders with the custom mode.
The key and fish just define two groups of sims that the doors knows.
If you enable the clothes change options, you can use the fishholders list there too.
Using this you could have a couple enter their private bedroom and both change into the clothes that turn on their partner.
That's the sort of thing I will be adding to the 'smartness', as you can get a good idea of who's bedroom it is by various means.
I'll WTFM before I do any more updates on this.
Ste, Jordi:
Collections, Yep I'll look into that.
I'm going to have dresscode signs and access doormats at some point, so hopefully they can go into the same collection.
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Re: Smart Door (updated 8 Feb 2006)
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2006 February 08, 01:34:58 »
Thanks to all for asking questions in this thread
I've put together a HOWTO document that should make it easier to quickly get going with the door.
There's also an advanced section for those that love to dabble.
Should be so much clearer now
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Re: Smart Door (16 Feb 2006 update)
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v0.104 (16 Feb 2006)
Changed BHAV format for backwards Uni compatible.
Added Bad Door Placement warning.
Added Access Mode Description Strings.
Added Custom Access Mode 'Door State Values'.
Adjusted defaults for "3's a crowd" mode.
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Re: Smart Door (16 Feb 2006 update)
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2006 February 16, 13:30:33 »
The "howto" file says the door will not change the clothes of toddlers and children. Why not? Surely for kids at least this wouldn't be too different from the way it works for teens and up? And I for one would really love a clothes-changing door that works for toddlers, so they don't crawl around in their pj's all day long....
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Re: Smart Door (16 Feb 2006 update)
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With children it's ok, but unless something changed with NL, if you send a toddler through a door set to formal, they end up stark naked. It looks cute, but not quite the right time for it if everyone else is in formal
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TS4: The Pee-ening
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=> Insert Amusing Name Here
=> Facts and Strategery
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TS3/TSM: The Pudding
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=> The World Of Pudding
=> Facts & Strategery
=> Pudding Factory
===> World of Puddings
===> Pudding Plots
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TS2: Burnination
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=> The Podium
===> Oops! You Broke It!
=> The War Room
=> Planet K 20X6
===> Building Contest of Awesomeness
=> Peasantry
===> Taster's Choice
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The Bowels of Trogdor
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=> The Small Intestines of Trogdor
=> The Large Intestines of Trogdor
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Awesomeware
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=> TS4 Stuff
=> Armoire of Invincibility
===> AwesomeMod!
=> The Armory
===> Playsets & Toys
===> The Scrapyard
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Darcyland
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=> Lord Darcy Investigates
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Ye Olde Simmes 2 Archives: Dead Creators
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=> Ye Olde Crammyboye Archives
=> Ye Olde Syberspunke Archives
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Serious Business
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===> Spore Discussions
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