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Disappearing sims + aspiration failure + resets = *headdesk*
« on: 2009 October 17, 02:18:49 »
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My clean custom neighborhood (which has played perfectly until now) has just blown my mind by having an apparently random fit of borkage. My tale of woe:

Last night I played TS2. All's well. Today I loaded up the same hood and the same lot as I played last night. Five sims normally live on this lot, but when I entered, only one of them was present, and only his icon was displayed on the left side panel. Alright, I have had sims vanish off of lots in past (slightly borked) hoods - never four at once, but I was still not panicking at this point - and in those cases I was able to just summon them back to the lot and everything went on as normal. So I go to my trusty teleporter to bring the family back, and there is no one to summon. Or to clarify, the only sims available for summoning were NPCs. Playables and townies had... vanished.

I quit the game without saving, opened up my Character folder and found it empty. Not even one file for the one sim I saw on the lot. Odd. Fortunately, I have a recent backup. I replaced the Character folder with the backup, and all the character files appeared to be intact, with a total of 65 files. I tried loading the game again - same lot. Family was all there on the loading screen (but then they had been the first time, too). But once the lot loaded, it was the same deal as before - only one sim calmly sitting by himself. I opened up the Character folder without leaving the game, but all of the files were still there this time. Just, apparently, not loading.

I tried to summon the family back again. This time, the available sims to summon were NPCs, townies, and most playables. The only playables not on the list were the four who were missing from the lot. I boggled and decided to check my other lots...

...And things got even weirder. On every other lot in my hood, all the residents were present. However, in one lot they were all standing out by the mailbox, with their normally shiny aspiration meters suddenly bottomed out in deep red, and all their want panels showed how much they wanted to get jobs (all slots on every sim showed a different job they wanted to get). On another lot they were all still going about their activities, same as they had been when I last played them, but they too were all in aspiration failure, plus they were all starving and about to pass out from exhaustion. I absolutely did not leave them that way. Also, two of the sims on that lot were in completely different outfits - outfits that they do not even own.
(Edit to add: it has crossed my mind that the resets/asp failure on the other lots could be due to the fact that I replaced all the character files with copies. If so, I'm not concerned. Can anyone confirm whether this is the case?)

I quit without saving. My first concern was for the missing sims, so I went into SimPE to look at my list of characters, and all four of the vanished sims were still available in there. I really don't know much about SimPE and I only use it for very basic stuff, so I didn't mess around with them at all. I just wanted to know if the files were still present and intact, and it seems they are.

My game is all patched, I have not downloaded anything weird (or anything at all) recently, and this is a totally clean neighborhood with no history of borkage at all. It has been my dream hood until now, and somehow overnight, it's gone banoodles.

I'm unsure of what to do next, and I'd really like some advice, please. BFBVFS? Abandon ship?  Embarrassed
Or is there anything to be done/attempted that I don't know about yet?
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Re: Disappearing sims + aspiration failure + resets = *headdesk*
« Reply #1 on: 2009 October 17, 03:44:34 »
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(Edit to add: it has crossed my mind that the resets/asp failure on the other lots could be due to the fact that I replaced all the character files with copies. If so, I'm not concerned. Can anyone confirm whether this is the case?)
It's a contributing factor.

Replacing just the characters file from your backup isn't a good idea. Replace everything... lots folder, character files, neighborhood packages, etc. You need to use the full backup for that 'hood. Then retry. As it is, your current game does sound like a BFBVFS.
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« Reply #2 on: 2009 October 17, 06:11:16 »
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up, Zazazu. I will try replacing the whole EA Games folder, yes? Here goes...

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Even more heartfelt thanks to you now. Everything is back in its rightful place: sims, aspirations, clothes and wants.  I find it very weird that the whole folder has to be replaced, but I'm not complaining at all. I really appreciate it. I love this hood.  Cheesy

Any ideas or wild speculation about what could cause such a perfect hood to crap out on me so suddenly, with no warning signs? If it's going to be this way, I'm going to become ultra-paranoid and start making backups every day.
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« Reply #3 on: 2009 October 17, 07:27:07 »
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Even more heartfelt thanks to you now. Everything is back in its rightful place: sims, aspirations, clothes and wants.  I find it very weird that the whole folder has to be replaced, but I'm not complaining at all. I really appreciate it. I love this hood.  Cheesy

Not the whole EA Games folder, only the whole neighbourhood folder (N00X) has to be replaced. This is because all the neighbourhood files are interconnected. Some information is stored in the character files, some in the lot files, some in the neighbourhood package itself, etc. If you only replace some of them the files will be mismatched.

As for why the neighbourhood got borked in the first place... who knows. This game is often completely incomprehensible. I think I'm gonna go take a backup of my stuff right now, haven't done so in a couple of weeks.
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« Reply #4 on: 2009 October 17, 17:09:51 »
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Not the whole EA Games folder, only the whole neighbourhood folder (N00X) has to be replaced. This is because all the neighbourhood files are interconnected. Some information is stored in the character files, some in the lot files, some in the neighbourhood package itself, etc. If you only replace some of them the files will be mismatched.

As for why the neighbourhood got borked in the first place... who knows. This game is often completely incomprehensible. I think I'm gonna go take a backup of my stuff right now, haven't done so in a couple of weeks.

Ah, thanks Tarlia, that does make sense.

This makes me curious: How often do others make backups, in general? I personally don't do it very regularly - I just got lucky this time.
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« Reply #5 on: 2009 October 17, 18:30:07 »
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I generally do it whenever I think of it, which isn't as often as I probably should. But once a week should be fine, or whenever anything major happens in your neighbourhood that you really don't want to redo.
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« Reply #6 on: 2009 October 17, 20:55:23 »
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Either once a rotation, or once something very significant happens, whichever comes first.
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« Reply #7 on: 2009 October 17, 23:12:20 »
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I have automatic incremental backups my whole hard drive that happen hourly for work.  They get overwritten after a while, but the daily backups persist in the archive for a couple of months.  When I had to initiate them myself, I used to do backups after each play session but kept them only for a week or two before overwriting them.  Even though I could correct sadorandom borkage in SimPE, I find that a lot of the time it's just faster to restore from a backup than try to figure out everything that might have gone wrong.
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