Identical siblings

[Bangelnuts]

Sorry, Bangelnuts, I should have explained - mirror image twins are twins where the dna split wrong at the first time the cells divided.  There is a well known case of a Nigerian mother and an english father who had monozygotic twin boys, one of whom was totally African in appearance, the other had light skin, blond hair and blue eyes - one got all the mother's DNA. the other got all the father's.

I never even heard of  such a thing before. learn something new everyday

[ZephyrZodiac]

It's been used by mystery writers like Dorothy M. Sayers too - so although they are rare, they've been known about for some time, but unless you have personally met a pair of mirror image twins, or seen the programme etc., you probably wouldn't know much about them.  But if you ever hear of anyone whose heart, liver, kidneys, etc., are on the wrong side of their body, then you can bet that, even if they don't have a living twin, they started out with one who then died (maybe in the first week of pregnancy, when the mother wouldn't even have been aware she was carrying twins!

[Brynne]

it turned out that until they were seven no-one in the family could understand a word they said  -  TwinSpeak!

I always wished I had a twin so I could have my own language. 
I'm just a boring english-speaking single birth.

[Brynne]

It's been used by mystery writers like Dorothy M. Sayers too - so although they are rare, they've been known about for some time, but unless you have personally met a pair of mirror image twins, or seen the programme etc., you probably wouldn't know much about them.  But if you ever hear of anyone whose heart, liver, kidneys, etc., are on the wrong side of their body, then you can bet that, even if they don't have a living twin, they started out with one who then died (maybe in the first week of pregnancy, when the mother wouldn't even have been aware she was carrying twins!

WOW. My great grandmother is in some big medical journal for being a case of just that! Apparently, she's studied in the medical field.
I'll have to try to look that up. As  you can see, my knowledge in this area is limited since I just referred to "some big medical journal" LOL

[ZephyrZodiac]

Me too!

This pair of lads were very interesting, though.  since until they moved up from  the First School they'd always been in separate classes, they had their own sets of friends, they never chose to sit together in class, but they always seemed to know what the other one was doing.  And whereas quite often one of their friends would come to the classroom after they'd had lunch to ask if I'd seen them, they never ever came and asked for each other.  There was definitely some kind of telepathy going on there!

[Brynne]

I think that happens with many close relationships, though not to that extreme.
I don't believe in psychic powers, but my best friend always calls me when I'm crying about something, asking if I'm okay. One time she called me at 1 am! I had to tell her "I just couldn't find the spatula! Waaaaah!"

[ZephyrZodiac]

I think there's more to telepathy than psychologists will ever find out with those stupid cards!  It's more about shared emotions than shared ideas, i think, and how on earth do you work out a test for that?

[Kyna]

Cwykes those 4 different personalities born in one day's playing session have nothing to do with how much those sims were played with by family members.  It's the 'first born effect' in action.

They were all born in the same playing session, so the sim-generator rerolled after each birth.  That couple gave birth to the 1st-born personality mix of the parents, the 2nd-born personality mix, the 3rd-born personality mix, etc. 

Assuming these were the only births in the player's session, if they were to have another playing session and those same sim parents had 4 children in the new session, the 4 new children would have personalities identical to the first 4.

If you save right after a baby is born (i.e. before anyone has interacted with it) and go into SimPE you'll see the baby has a personality - this is it's genetic personality, assigned when the sim was generated during the birth, and since it can be seen before any interactions, clearly has nothing to do with the level of interaction with family members. 

In fact, you could test the theory of interactions if you wanted to.  Save as soon as the game lets you after the baby is born.  Go into SimPE and note the baby's personality.  Then go into the game where the baby is a newborn.  Give it lots of attention.  See what it's personality is when it ages into toddler.  Don't save.  Exit, re-enter the lot, this time only meet the baby's food & diaper needs, don't give it any other attention.  When it ages into toddlerhood this time, you'll be able to see that the level of attention made no difference to it's personality.

[Brynne]

I asked about this a while back, but is there any benefit to the rub belly /talk to belly baby interactions? Other than it looking cute, that is.

[J. M. Pescado]

I asked about this a while back, but is there any benefit to the rub belly /talk to belly baby interactions? Other than it looking cute, that is.

Other than the +rel and social you get from any interaction? Nope. There's nothing special about that one.

[Brynne]

So then the + rel is only between the prenant sim and the "rubber", I take it.

[Ancient Sim]

I read somewhere that if the mother socialises a lot during pregnancy, the baby will be more outgoing.  I don't think it's true, but I must admit that I've often wondered why so many babies born to parents who are both quite low in outgoing turn out so outgong themselves.  It happens a lot in my game.

[nectere]

It *seems* like the father often has a higher initial relationship with the newborn if a lot of rubbin and talkin has taken place during pregnancy. I am sure that is not the case, but it often seems that way.

I resurrected Michael Bachelor for Dina (or is it Nina - whoever was married to him previously) and they have three sons who are identical except for personality, even now as young adults. And since they are all the same age in college they are basically triplets now.

[Sagana]

I really think the "talk to baby" "rub belly" things give a +rel for the father with the baby. My most recently born ingame sim had a higher relationship with her father than her mother immediately after birth and the pluses show up over the father's head, but not the mother's.

[Brynne]

What I don't get is how a toddler can have a negative relationship with its family members immediately upon transitioning. My sim babies are almost immediately turned into toddlers. I don't get it.

[ZephyrZodiac]

I've found it also makes it easier to get the older siblings to accept the baby if they've talked to it before (and after) it's born.

[Bangelnuts]

I've found it also makes it easier to get the older siblings to accept the baby if they've talked to it before (and after) it's born.

Ive found that to be true  with Fricorith  in my game  he has a toddler brother and a brother who is an infant brother and I noticed that his relationship with both brothers has always been friends even when his sibliing were babies. maybe its because he talked to Jennails belly  alot while she was pregnant and then to the baby after it was born.
  He also pitches in and helps with his baby brothers willingly.

[ZephyrZodiac]

I think generally teens do accept the baby, it's the child whose nose is put out of joint because the baby is getting all the attention that needs to interact with the baby, and then when it's a toddler you can get them to join play at the dolls' house.  Works wonders!

[Bangelnuts]

I think generally teens do accept the baby, it's the child whose nose is put out of joint because the baby is getting all the attention that needs to interact with the baby, and then when it's a toddler you can get them to join play at the dolls' house.  Works wonders!

I had one teen who hated his baby sister and wouldnt accept her no matter what in an old hood so the only interaction he ver had after she transitioned to toddler hood was family kiss and getting im to kiss the toddler was a series of continuos clicking since the teen was always minus in relationship stats with his baby sister

[ZephyrZodiac]

Did you allow him to feed her?  Change her?  Bath her?  Normally I have problems stopping my teens from being too possessive of the baby!

Even Keanu Broke, with only 1 for niceness, was good with his baby sister in one of my old Pleasantviews when Brandi was married to Don!  But in the present game, Beau had a very low score with Keanu until he played with him with the dolls' house.

[Bangelnuts]

Did you allow him to feed her?  Change her?  Bath her?  Normally I have problems stopping my teens from being too possessive of the baby!

Even Keanu Broke, with only 1 for niceness, was good with his baby sister in one of my old Pleasantviews when Brandi was married to Don!  But in the present game, Beau had a very low score with Keanu until he played with him with the dolls' house.

yep and he still hated her

[ZephyrZodiac]

Then there must be some personality clash somewhere!  Wait till the toddler is a kid and leave them stuck at the chess table for all of Saturday!  Or buy him a kids' magazine and increase his interest in toys and animals!

[cwykes]

Cwykes those 4 different personalities born in one day's playing session have nothing to do with how much those sims were played with by family members.  It's the 'first born effect' in action. ......... etc

Oh Duh! I did know that!  must have been tired not to spot that this was probably all from one playing session.  Thanks for spelling it out clearly.  I'm not much good at in game trials - I get bored too easily and mess them up by doing something else with another sim and forgetting.

So it's confirmed that the personality is fixed at birth and you doesn't change until parents start encouraging activity or whatever when the sim is a child.

[Kyna]

So it's confirmed that the personality is fixed at birth and you doesn't change until parents start encouraging activity or whatever when the sim is a child.

Well, I haven't actually tested it, and I'm certainly not one of the awesome ones who dissects the code.  I'm just an average Sims2 player.

To be honest, I can't be bothered testing it.  If you don't want to test it either, mention it on that other forum you spoke of - and suggest someone there test it.  Then we'll both have it confirmed 

[Jorenne]

OK, so y'all got me a little curious.  I had to test and see for sure, and yes, personality is set at birth and doesn't change until parent's start encouraging.

Meet out test Subject, Shane Kendrick:


Shane's mother is Samantha Kendrick, An Evidence Technician for the local PD, Pleasure Aspiration

Mothers Personality: 8/3/6/5/3

Shane's father is Leon Beauvais, A memer of the Marquette "Family"  A French Mafia crew, Romance Aspiration
 
Fathers Personality: 3/8/3//6/5

Shane's Personality at Birth: 8/1/3/10/10

Shane lives with his mother, her roomie, Ceara Flyn, A shy little family sim photographer, and Ceara's daughter, Erin, who's just a toddler.

Now Shane's Personality didn't really make sense to me, since both Samantha and Leon are CAS sims, created as adults, so their genetic personality should be the same as their displayed personality, yet Shane's seems wildly different from either of them.

That aside, I tried several things.  I saved the game and checked his personality when he was just minutes old.

Test 1:  Invited father over several times, all adults in the house payed stupid amounts of attention to the kid, playing, cuddling, feeding, changing, talking to, and being thrown up on by the little darling, no change in personality

Test 2:  Only Samantha cared for Shane, playing and cuddling as much as time would allow, although this didn't amount to an awful lot, but she probably spent a good 3 or 4 hours a day with him. - No change in personality

Test3:  Only Samntha cared for Shane, and only when he was crying for it, the rest of the time he was left in his crib. - No change in personality.