The stupid trees are back!

[J. M. Pescado]

Yes, but I think that because TSS's objects are contained within its own packages, which host redundant information, that redundant and obsolete information maybe overwriting "good" BV info.

[Ness]

I have BV.  I have TSS.  I have no tree problem.  I'm running from the BV exe file.

Don't recall patching either seasons or BV, but I could be wrong.

[Emma]

Running from BV exe. Patched.

Trees are gone in my game and I didn't do anything but clear groups.cache.

[J. M. Pescado]

Ah, yes, Groups.cache is always a good source of evildoing.

[Gwill]

I haven't had any tree problems (and I have all EPs and SPs install), but I've been afraid to place any maple trees ever since the problems originally occured, so I might not have any in my hood.  (I don't take Maxis' word for fixes.)

[cwykes]

I just installed teen style and I have my first tree problem, but then I also had a crash (PC crash - not crash to desktop) which resulted in missing sims from newly installed occupied lots, a cat that thinks it's a sim (looks really bizarre trying to climb into bed), a female sim with a male voice and none of the Pets community lots in the lot bin!  The lot debugger has not helped; I think force error on everything actually helped convince the cat it was really a sim. I suspect my problems are self-inflicted because I didn't re-install base game starter after adding Pets.  I'm heading off to use Inge's brand new simPE and see what I can fix.  I've also deleted groups.cache and I'll report if that fixes the tree problem  Good thing it's a test hood!

[ScoobyDoo]

I just installed teen style and I have my first tree problem, but then I also had a crash (PC crash - not crash to desktop) which resulted in missing sims from newly installed occupied lots, a cat that thinks it's a sim (looks really bizarre trying to climb into bed), a female sim with a male voice and none of the Pets community lots in the lot bin!  The lot debugger has not helped; I think force error on everything actually helped convince the cat it was really a sim. I suspect my problems are self-inflicted because I didn't re-install base game starter after adding Pets.  I'm heading off to use Inge's brand new simPE and see what I can fix.  I've also deleted groups.cache and I'll report if that fixes the tree problem  Good thing it's a test hood!

Yup I had that happen to with one of my cats after a crash.  The crash borked my entire hood.  Luckily simpe was able to at least open the neighborhood file to extract everything.

[Process Denied]

I had to reinstall  BV and I had the tree problem again--  it said that everything was up to date but i tryed to install the Season's patch anyways and it accepted it and the trees were fixed.

[cwykes]

I just installed teen style and I have my first tree problem, but then I also had a crash (PC crash - not crash to desktop) which resulted in missing sims from newly installed occupied lots, a cat that thinks it's a sim (looks really bizarre trying to climb into bed), a female sim with a male voice and none of the Pets community lots in the lot bin!  The lot debugger has not helped; I think force error on everything actually helped convince the cat it was really a sim. I suspect my problems are self-inflicted because I didn't re-install base game starter after adding Pets.  I'm heading off to use Inge's brand new simPE and see what I can fix.  I've also deleted groups.cache and I'll report if that fixes the tree problem  Good thing it's a test hood!

With Inge's SimPE, I've cleaned up after the crash and deleted most of the sims that went missing.  I've nuked everything the lotdebugger finds as well including attraction markers and all the gossip in the entire 'hood.  I bulldozed the lot with the tree problem too.  I can see the trees on the 'hood screen, where the lot used to be but I can't select them to move or delete them.  I bowed to the inevitable and placed the new version of the lot somewhere else.  I have error logs about the cat if anyone wants them.

I haven't installed BV.  I'm running off the Seasons .exe patched.

[Lorelei]

The wandering trees are just a case of EAxian coders reading too much Tolkein. They aren't maples, they are Ents.

[Buchignani]

No way, Ents are bright. Maples are too stupid to get out of the street.

[MidnightVoyager]

No way, Ents are bright. Maples are too stupid to get out of the street.

You think an Ent can outrun a car? Well, I mean, if you piss them off sufficiently, maybe, but still.

[notveryawesome]

I believe that Teen Style Shit is simply a massively buggy pack, as when injected into a BV game, it will overwrite parts of BV's code with legacy code from Teen Shit, thus reintroducing bugs and errors.

It is not entirely clear how to resolve these issues, as they're endemic. Recommended course of action at this time is to deinstall it. I have limited capability to research the issues, as I don't have this pack!

What if you install the stuffpack(s), and THEN install BV? I am generally in the habit of waiting to buy and install stuffpacks until an EP that I want comes out. I install the stuffpacks before the EP, due to the weird name-changing phenomenon that sometimes occurs with stuffpacks. Would such a procedure prevent TSS from buggering BV?

[J. M. Pescado]

No. It doesn't matter what order you install them in, the problem is that Teen Shit pretends to be a higher bit than BV, and this apparently causes problems. You'd have to wait until the next Real EP comes out before it would be safe to install.

[notveryawesome]

Drat! I wanted the pretties. Oh well. I guess I'll be waiting until Free Time the next Lies and Propaganda comes out becomes real.

[Aner-Dyfan]

I had this problem in my game. The tree moved each time I exited lot to visit business, and it left after a few days. I don't have TSS though just BV. However I am completely unawesome so it's probably some sort of karma.

Do I just delete the group.cache file to clear it? Or do I have to do some strange doohikery in SimPE?

[neriana]

Do I just delete the group.cache file to clear it? Or do I have to do some strange doohikery in SimPE?

You just need to delete it.

[notveryawesome]

Slightly OT: Why, exactly, is the BV patch a VBT? I assume it broke more than it fixed, like the first Pets patch, but I'd like to know exactly what it broke, so I can decide for myself if the benefits outweigh the risks.

[J. M. Pescado]

BV Patch updated ScrewuROM. This was a bad thing. Those issues have since been ironed out by third-party fixes.

[KatEnigma]

FWIW: It's not just maple trees.  I just had a phantom birch tree spring up in the middle of the living room.

Deleting group.cache didn't help, either. Grrr

[J. M. Pescado]

Haven't you souped yet?

[KatEnigma]

Haven't you souped yet?

How many times do I have to tell you that I don't soup?  If you want rid of me, Ban me. Otherwise I'm just here, minding my own damn business, not even taking part in Moar Fight. Have you degenerated so far that someone can't even get game help here anymore?