Don't hate me because I have to pee...

[Ivy]

Seriously...now why does everyone think bad thoughts about the poor guy just because he's using the bathroom?

I have Uni installed, plus the latest patch.

This is the first time I've noticed that they all get the thought bubble of the person using the bathroom, with an "X" over it, EVERY time ANYONE goes to the restroom, anywhere in Uni.  I haven't tried it in the regular 'hood, but it's quite prevelant in both the Uni dorms now and on the Uni community lots. 

It also happens when they are going to take a shower as well.  The showers and toilets are all in enclosed bathrooms, with doors on them.  Below is a closeup of the thought bubble that appears very strange, like there is more than one bubble there, stacked on top of each other.

And I must say, this is highly annoying!

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[RainbowTigress]

Yeah I've noticed it, and it continues in NL with the patch.  It happens not only in the home neighborhood but downtown as well.  JM commented on it once, and he said he couldn't figure out why.  But it is annoying.  Everytime I see one of these, if I check the bathrooms, sure enough it will be that sim.  Strange how sims can be telepathic when it comes to things like this.  They know who is in the bathroom even if they aren't anywhere near the bathroom and they have never met the person.  Weird.

[Diala]

I had assumed they had those thought bubbles because the Sim is gone or has left, hence why they have an X over the Sim's face. As long as the thoughts tend not to degrade the relationships between Sims, I have no real problem with them.

[Ivy]

Well, depending on how many Sims are on the lot at once, I have noticed when all those thought bubbles pop up at exactly the same time, there is a bit of lag.

It is still continuing in the game, after a restart.

Glad to know I'm not the only one with this weirdness!


Ivy

[ZephyrZodiac]

I think it's a case of "I want to talk/dance/play etc with him but I can't until he comes out of the bathroom!  (Or lets me in.......)

[buddha pest]

I think it's a case of "I want to talk/dance/play etc with him but I can't until he comes out of the bathroom!  (Or lets me in.......)

Every single time anyone goes to the bathroom ever though?

It was one of the first things I ever noticed in the game. I was at my friend's house watching her play, and every time a sim went to the bathroom, some other sim would have the red x thought bubble. I remember asking her, "why's that guy so pissed his kid's going to the bathroom?" At the time, I thought it was hilarious. Now, not so much.

[Ivy]

Nope, it's not funny when they do it *every single time* they go pee.

And it just started happening that I noticed it since I patched the game earlier today.

Earlier, my Sim's mouths were moving just fine after patching as well when they were talking on the phone.

Now, it's back to static faces yet again.

I fear another unfortunate re-install is in order...

This is just *not right* ...


Ivy

[ZephyrZodiac]

Well, I still haven't installed the Uni patch and my game seems just fine without it, so I'm wondering if I'll bother!

As to the thought bubble, just remember, peeing is the dominating factor in any sim's life!

[AllenABQ]

Well I haven't seen this happen myself, but I'll definitely be looking for it now.

On the other hand, I was distracted by watching the antics of an NPC the other day while I had a playable sim out for the evening at Midnight Flows.  When I finally remembered to check up on him, I found him standing in the doorway of the men's room staring at another male Sim he was attracted to who was using the toilet.  And all he did was just stand there and stare with occasional thought bubbles about him (no X's).

A little creepy and funny too! 

[vector]

Deeply annoying. They'll even get the Big Red X if the toilet-user is miles away at the other side of a lot, and if they don't even know each other.

[J. M. Pescado]

It's a great mystery, since scanning the toilet code reveals no particularly enlightning evidence of why this happens.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Perhaps it's in something else's code?

[RainbowTigress]

When I check these sims' bladder, a lot of times they are nowhere near having to go.

[ZephyrZodiac]

Do you mean the ones with the Xs or the ones on the loo?   You know the "homeworksometimesfasterfun" hack?  What we really need is a "toiletsometimesfasterfun" hack - sims spend so much times there they must enjoy it, so why not make it a fun thing?

[Hook]

LOL!  Wouldn't that lose the T rating of the game???  Hehe!

Hook

[ZephyrZodiac]

Well, I dunno, after all toddlers normally ENJOY going to the bathroom (once they've learned their potty training).  My cat PURRS happily when he's in his litter box!  Seems to me that something so totally NORMAL shouldn't be subject to that kind of censorship - after all, unless you have a no-censor patch, it's all blurred anyway!  And in Sims 1, the loos you could get from C&C where newspaper reading on the loo began, they got fun while they were there - from reading the paper! (Plus interest points, of course - hence "interesting toilet")

And an afterthought, ever seen an ad for Pampers, Andrex, Huggies etc etc etc!  they don't get censored!

[Oddysey]

I was always under the impression that the "X out face" bubble that appeared when a sim was in the bathroom was a result of the nudity emitter. Of course, it was at least originally only something that people actually able to see the sim in question got. Perhaps said emitter has gone screwy? Perhaps related to the clothing state emitter changes made for Nightlife, with Turn Ons and Turn Offs? After all, it would be kind of silly if chemistry flucuated based on whether you could see the person (clothing based attraction is silly enough, it doesn't need any more help) and perhaps this has led to unintended consequences for nudity?

[Gus Smedstad]

I think you're reading too much into this.  Because it happens regularly, I've always assumed it was a message from the pathfinder.  Rather like the "broken path" dialog bubble, only indicating the Sim can't reach the destination because the bathroom is locked by the displayed Sim.

As for why J.M. can't see it in the bathroom code, I'd suggest looking in the pathfinding instead.  You'll get the same thought bubble if the action being cancelled isn't bathroom related at all, like a command to use a mirror or the sink.

 - Gus

[Ivy]

Thanks for the suggestions on this.  I am going to uninstall and reinstall and test to try and see if its one of the haks now conflicting with the patch.

I'll look at the noroutefail and manualnavigation haks first.

Thanks,

Ivy

[Andygal]

I noticed this happening last night, I also noticed that my controlable sim had endless "go here" interactions being qued up. It stopped as soon as the other sim left the bathroom.

oh yes, and I dion't have either the noroutefail or manualnavigation hack in my game.

[Ivy]

Andy...okay since you don't have those, let's compare then and see if we have anything else in common then, eh?

Here is the list of what's in there now from JM:

abortbedmaking
amnesiafix
antibabylecture
antiprankhack
autosoc
autoyak
badbirthfix
bdaypartywantfix
callover
captainhero
carpoolfix
chatbugfixv1
coffeecuphack
collegeclock
comm-skilling
computerchatfix
continuouspaint
dailygardener
deathfix
doorbell-quieter
easybreakup
encouragificator
fasterbuyclothes
ffsdebugger
firemod
fratfix
frontdoorhack
housepartyfix
hugginghack
lesswhiny
ltwvariety
macrotastics
manual-navigation
marriage-postmortum
moneyorder
moveoutbugfix
nmefix
noagediscrimination
noaplusspam
noassignmentlitter
nobabyharassment
nobogartingswings
nobuskers
nocollegeobsessions
nocorruptdeath
nocrybabies
nodeanspam
noeatcrap
nofraternization
nogreekmadness
noinfluenceobsession
nomoveamnesia
nonpcspam
noplagiarism
norabbitspin
norandomcrush
norandomflirtwants
noresurrectwant
noretiredjobspam
noreunionmemory
noroadpillows
noroutefail
noshockforoutgoing
nosmartmilkdrag
nossrespawn
nostrangerdance
notelepathy
noteleportpuddle
novanishindorms
novelprogress
nowhatsthis
phonehack
pianofix
poolhack
punchcuphack
romancemod
runtoclass
savethetrees
scannergunhack
ssfriendcountfix
sshack
stereohack
thefightclub
tippingfix
toastinghack
togafix
weddingpartyfix

And I have the following haks installed from VariousSimmers:

notalkthrubunnybear
age transition fixes - teens keep loves
always flush toilets - wash hands
baby wants fix
breakfast at midnight
call to chat - invite over fix
congrats fix ver 1.1
diploma repo - stolen fix
dorm gender controller
food already available
go steady critical fix
handheld & MP3 no autonomy
homeworksometimesfasterfun v1
lazy anim fix only
no autonomous hang out
no autonomous napping
no belching or farting ver 1.2
no class or exam credit fix
no indoors kicky bag
no instrument want spam
no personal electronics wants
no plant want spam
no resurrect want spam
no sports party wants
no cops and robbers
reduced play in bathtub
school bus - bring friend dialog
students move away from the portal
teasing fix ver 1.1
teddy bear no talk through
teleprompter no autoplay
toddler toy death fix
toddler play with toilets fix
triplets & quads mod v2 3a
visitor snacking fix


Again, I have the base game + Uni + patch installed.

I have not yet removed any mods made redundant by the patch, as I was under the impression that was not necessary.  Though I will at some point get around to doing it, I want to try and sort out this issue first.  I do believe something is conflicting, because when I take ALL of them out, it doesn't appear to happen.  Note that my Sims talking on the phone still don't have their animations back either, no matter if all the haks are there or not now.  (I think that has to do with replacing the objects.package yesterday and not saving a backup of the one that was there first.  Well I did that to try and fix a Sim who had missing want icons...yes, post-patch...**sigh**)

Well that's my list.  If you have any other suggestions as to which one may narrow it down, it would be much appreciated.  Otherwise I'll work on uninstalling, reinstalling later today.

Thanks,

Ivy

[Andygal]

hmm..
I also have

deathfix
lesswhiny(the NL version that Crannyboy(I think) made)
thefightclub
abortedbedmaking
noinfluenceobeseession
moveoutbugfix
nl no handheld MP3 automony
toddler play with toiletfix
novelprogress


and I think that's it.

I have NL and the patch.

[RainbowTigress]

I noticed this happening last night, I also noticed that my controlable sim had endless "go here" interactions being qued up. It stopped as soon as the other sim left the bathroom.

oh yes, and I dion't have either the noroutefail or manualnavigation hack in my game.

Andygal, was your sim on an outing or date with another sim?  If so, this is normal behavior because they follow the sim who initiated the outing around and the game gives them "go here" commands.  I noticed this with my first outing that Mortimer got invited on and he took Cassandra.  She kept getting those, and I finally realized it was because she was being told to go wherever he was.  I have also seen this when I take control of other sims in a casual group.

The X in the thought bubble has been occurring since before NL.

[Andygal]

ah, now that I think about it she was on an outing. Somebody had invited her boyfriend out and she tagged along, then I sent them home because she was pregnant and very hungry and tired but the auting continued.

[Brynne]

I remember bringing this up quite some time ago on this forum, way before Nightlife. If I can find it, I'll put the link here. Sims who are otherwise occupied, i.e. playing pool, etc. will also have this thought bubble about sims in the bathroom.